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([personal profile] daphnep Apr. 8th, 2010 12:05 pm)
Jezebel.com commented on both of these things, but I want to draw them together in one place just to contrast them.



First of all, we have the Super-Photoshopped version of Michelle Obama on the cover of Good Housekeeping Magazine.

Then we have Marie Claire Magazine showing Jessica Simpson and bragging about "No makeup, no retouching!" Fascinating that these come out in the very same month. Interesting to see the two side by side.

One more of Jessica, just because I think she looks really good, this way. Of course, this still isn't "nature". It's all art, remember: the photographer, the designer, the editors--these images still came through layers and layers of "image-making process". But they're nice to see.



Discuss amongst yourselves.

From: [identity profile] susanjacobson.livejournal.com


Poor Michelle Obama looks like a space alien in that photo!
Look at that helmet hair! The poreless skin!
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From: [identity profile] evilegg.livejournal.com


Highlighted hair, waxed brows, professionally cared for skin, whitened teeth... All natural and untouched.

From: [identity profile] rougewench.livejournal.com


No make up on the Jessica Simpson shots? Bullshit no makeup...


D.

From: [identity profile] daphnep.livejournal.com


I could see it, actually. I'm willing to believe that claim...she might have eyelash extentions, but that's not technically makeup.

There's a lot good lighting will do.

From: [identity profile] rougewench.livejournal.com


There's a lot good lighting can do, but you can see the line of demarcation of color between what has been put on her lips and her actual lip color.

And the color on her cheeks is not coming from under the skin, as it would if she had simply pinched cheeks. It's subtle make up, certainly, but it most assuredly there.


D.

From: [identity profile] potatocubed.livejournal.com


Michelle Obama looks like a drawing of a woman. =/

From: [identity profile] rougewench.livejournal.com


I should also add, when Jamie Lee Curtis did this sort of thing, she was much more seriously not...adjusted...in any way.


D.

From: [identity profile] daphnep.livejournal.com


Oh, I loved Jamie Lee Curtis for that one! I think there were even more photos in the magazine.

I'm trying to see what you mean on the photos, but they're not large enough for me to tell, and also I'm more used to trying to pick out Photoshop than makeup. I'm wary, though, of the commenters on Jezebel who were saying things like "That's got to be makeup, people's lips aren't really colored like that!" etcetera, because it's part of the whole "because MY body/skin/hair is this way, everyone's is" thinking that comes up in so many body-image discussions, a.k.a. "Real Women Have Curves" etc.

Some women really are naturally thin, and Jessica Simpson might have more perfectly flushed lips than I do, and maybe she blushes in a way people of my skin type don't.

And also, if the magazine is specifically promoting an agenda, like being able to say "No Makeup!" right on their cover, wouldn't they have an interest in, you know, doing the image with no makeup? I imagine the fun the photographer and stylists might have had, working with that challenge, and looking for alternatives, a photoshoot that went "okay, Jessica, now bite your lips, then lick them...good, good!"

But maybe that's too much good faith on my part.

From: [identity profile] rougewench.livejournal.com


I would say possibly so.

It's also possible that a fashion magazine has very different ideas of what "no makeup" means.


D.

From: [identity profile] kylecassidy.livejournal.com


jessica simpson also had the ... imagination/boldness/foolhardyness/whatever ... to be photographed in really hideous light for the cover shot. the off-camera assistants manning the reflectors on the second shot did a find job)

From: [identity profile] ernunnos.livejournal.com


Beautiful young women are young and beautiful. The whole process starts with the selection of a model.

If makeup and retouching are so bad*, where would that leave the other 99% of the population? Humans are tool users. Other animals have to live with their genetics. We can fill in our flaws with tools. Those tools can also be misused, but for the most part, they raise the average quality of life.

* And I know that is not your argument.


From: [identity profile] daphnep.livejournal.com


I, for one, happen to love those tools. I like to be able to acknowledge them as tools, because of the artistry of it.

No outrage on my behalf over either cover...I think they're both a lot of fun to look at.

From: [identity profile] phanatic.livejournal.com


GOOD HO     ING
Edited Date: 2010-04-08 05:50 pm (UTC)

From: [identity profile] anodyne19148.livejournal.com


Wow. I would have thought Michelle Obama had more sense than to OK a photo like that. That's the worst magazine PhotoShop I've ever seen. They even did her arms, and she has great arms from working out.

From: [identity profile] ernunnos.livejournal.com


I'll disagree with you there. Michelle's just frightening. Definitely an example of a tool misused.

From: [identity profile] daphnep.livejournal.com


Yeah, but it's sort of a lesson in how to overdo things. Or how we're so used to "overdone" that "overdone" slips through as "normal." Like Bratz dolls. (Yes, I know I've mentioned those before. Bratz dolls fascinate me.)

I guess, yeah, if I was Michelle, I'd be pissed, but there are enough terrible representations of her around--like charicatured tee-shirts--that she's gotta be used to it by now.

From: [identity profile] kylecassidy.livejournal.com


i'd be really surprised if any magazine gave final approval to the subject. they might see the issue before it comes out, but people don't get editorial input. that's all good-housekeeping.

From: [identity profile] daphnep.livejournal.com


Whoo-hoo!

I wondered if it might. Thanks for pointing that out!

From: [identity profile] anodyne19148.livejournal.com


I worked for a magazine publishing company in Manhattan in the early '90s and no celebrity cover ever went to press without direct approval from the celebrity or their PR rep.

From: [identity profile] lawbabeak.livejournal.com


I saw the Jessica Simpson photos and thought of you. She's pimping her show, of course, but yay! (and anyone who keeps in breaking down laughing while meditating with a Buddhist monk in their show is either brazen or stupid or incredibly savy. Granted, this is the woman who asked of tuna "Is this chicken or fish?").

From: [identity profile] radiantsun.livejournal.com


1st and 3rd pic both have that 70's feel to them

From: [identity profile] kylecassidy.livejournal.com


fwiw, i saw the "good housekeeping" in the cvs yesterday and it doesn't look nearly as bad in person. she has pores. in this scan it looks like she was just painted over. on the GH cover it looks more like she's wearing a lot of makeup. which makes me wonder even if someone intentionally distorted the cover scan. Good Housekeeping doesn't seem to have a scan of it on their web page.

From: [identity profile] daphnep.livejournal.com


Eeeenteresting. An internet-specific photoshop disaster. The plot thickens, along with the pancake makeup.
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